VTO, does Google books of Germany search killer?

Filed under: Google Blogoscoped — Wrote by Lees on Wednesday, March 5th, 2008 @ 9:21 am

By Mathias Schindler

Announce it when Google ” Google Print ” project (present ” Google books is searched ” ) when, in the tradition publication course of study is mixed and not small disturbance was caused in hypostatic bookshop. The reason of a few concern is two independent projects that are based on hearsay and Google (the library project below a brand and publisher collaboration plan) decision. Even a few publisher added publisher plan, they still try to prevent the book that Google goes to index library, make them OK be searched.

Spring 2005, “B? Rsenverein Des Deutschen Buchhandels ” (German publisher and bookshop association) announced to be called ” Volltextsuche Online ” (VTO, “Online full text is searched ” ) the plan will defy Google books searchs a plan. They still support a Wissenschaftliche Buchgesellschaft (WBG) the lawsuit of litigant Google.

The court of this litigant requirement hamburger Spring 2006 allows a preliminary order, prohibit Google (the GmbH of company and Germany)

    The books that scanning WBG publishs is offerred these books are used to the public

In be interrogated, the judge points out he cannot find foundation of this jussive law. WBG for not play away this lawsuit and cancel their lawsuit.

Volltextsuche Online is announced to be at first ” dispersive ” system, and it is publisher to offer the full text search of their book as an interface:

    Search engine other ” the network provider that be interested ” bookshop terminal one ” the books that by books publication course of study develops searchs engine federally “

The current situation of VTO system

B? Rsenverein announces VTO was started December 2006, start date later by remit to the books sale of work Summer 2006 is met. A Powerpoint last week demonstrates manuscript [the to upload data system that PPT] shows an early days will be on this week line.

Nevertheless, the core part of this system is remained completely sealed. Original proposal is data dispersive on the server of publisher memory, but because this idea is disloyal use and be abandoned. The contract draft of VTO and publisher withheld VTO to store data in anyplace influence.

VTO is based on to be called ” BookStore ” software, this software is provided by MPS of company of a Holtzbrinck. To participate in VTO, publisher must list its book in VLB (inventory catalogue) , because that book must have ISBN. Year of current cost it is annual 17 euro duty (yes, right: Books publisher must hand in cash ability to upload data to VTO) . However, year of cost is avoiding before March 31: VTO is participated in before that day free a year.

The books of unlike Google is searched, just sending VTO the book of objective is impossible, publisher must send a PDF document that prepare and document of a few Meta. The norms of Meta file now is 0.9 edition [PDF] , it basically lacks any specific Meta file information. After sending two Email, the head of VTO says 1 edition to be able to be released in this week.

The year books sale of work that held in Frankfurt 2006 is met on, VTO has the small-sized installation of software of a BookStore to demonstrate. VTO alleges the page that wants to save or print books is impossible. When the representing that follows VTO when me chats, they admit this word cannot understand according to literal meaning, do they just pass abolish mouse right key or what method will prevent an user (slow user? ) go saving a file. In Feburary 2007, VTO still alleges (rough interpreter) :

Can be Internet user printed show the page on monitor?
Reply: Cannot, in Volltextsuche-Online, this function had been abolished in the browser of Internet user.

Today, I chat with the Katrin Neuberger that works in VTO group. She says to be mixed about saving printed FAQ is correct, can be saved without terminal user or print a page. I ask her whether this is more than specificly is abolish mouse right key is so simple, passed a little while, she says she must ask her boss. She cannot tell me to want to spend how long ability to get answer.

Last week, VTO uploaded of this project demonstrate, I gave in a conference at the beginning of Feburary. The first version that they upload is the empty Ppt file of a 12KB. After the mistake pointing out to them in me, they uploaded the version of a 3MB, include a few pages really (two pages are remained finally empty) . According to the Meta information of that file, this software is registered to be ” bunny Roger ” .

That an URL includes in the 3rd slide that demonstrates manuscript: Beta.volltextsuche-online.de. This site has code protection. Nevertheless, demonstrate manuscript [the user name that enters this website also was included in PPT] (” Admin ” ) with the password.

In Feburary 2007, VTO follows the it’s nothing that I see in Frankfurt before New Year partly to distinguish, include a few composing of user interface.

If you are right ” Der OR Die OR Das ” (” Der ” = ” The ” ) do search of a full text, can find 16 books. The amount that assumes this is all on VTO books is completely possible. To examine content, an account must be registered on VTO. But it won’t go the information that you input test and verify, won’t check the validity of Email address even. Did not send the link of Email test and verify, you can be landed immediately.

Can turn over a page with two arrowhead pushbutton. After seeing 5 pages above, you can be bought this book by the requirement. If go back arrives,another is clicked next in searching a result ” Der | Die | Das ” result (for instance the 6th page) , tally with respect to to clear, you can read 5 pages again.

Notional proof: Download makes this book

Really, mouse right key was abolished, so you cannot be used simply ” the picture is put additionally for… ” will save a page. But, “Contemporary ” browser for instance Firefox (I had not checked other browser) can list all elements on a page respectively come, pass ” tool… page information… media… ” , myHtml1.jsp is the URL of the page picture that you are seeing. It is file of a Png.

Use a clumsiness only ” the concept proves ” , I can download Daniel Kehlmann ” Measuring The World ” this best-selling all 303 pages of books. Picture quality is poorer, but you can read those scripts, I guess you to be able to scan even with OCR machine it. Use the Firefox 2 browser of a standard only, need not other tool goes downloading 303 pages to spend 3 hours or so (I admit, there is the thing of a lot of interferences among, chat with the friend for instance, eat lunch to wait a moment) . Not any ” hacker ” composition, this task can undertake easily at the same time or be written into script.

If you are in browser of use network of a the middle of a month is more than, you may ask ” so, what do this have special? ” the answer on the technology is ” whats are done not have. ” the process of the stuff that shows a few numbers follows duplicate it is same. If you want to let an user see something, you are impossible to prevent them to duplicate of these things. This may be fresher to books publisher, even if is books behaved very similarly in this kind of apprehension (does somebody remember be in ” imitate city 1 ” in is the blue-black password in baby blue setting protected? ) .

Besides the answer on that technology, still have political. The ability that saves a page from the website has been mentioned in the preliminary order that rejects Google. Second reading [the 13rd page of PDF] is such writing (rough interpreter) :

Even if the accused (Google company and GmbH) the attempt prevents tripartite to duplicate and download those work with technics, well-known is now still defending copy technology without which is not defeated to solve. In the plan that searchs in books especially, some networks professional mixes the safeguard that defeat solution to a large number of readers to offer receive freely regard as oneself mission. In this respect, what we indicate is write in GooglePrintSpeichern:

“How do you save the picture that Google Print place provides? Here is two way that we like most: Here is two way that we like most::

Once bypassed safeguard, those work can be taken casually, the use of any types, include to be distributed many reader and will handle with the mouse is feasible. Below the author’s care, accuser wants to also must want to prevent the happening of this kind of thing.

Very clear is this paragraph of allegation promiscuous reason and result. Be VTO lets these book full text appear on the net. Be on guard without the technology measure, do not have the rebarbative thing of any action only. (a few shares that Google says to they do not show books, and till now, this is like is the only measure that avoids the copy is complete book. ) B? The preliminary jussive that Rsenverein support is aimed at Google this is second reading. If you put their account to VTO, the project of themselves becomes ” illegal ” .

Notable is same software also by Macmillan New Writing Publishing House (looking also is to have 16 books only) use.

I cannot find any model of written characters about DRM safeguard in the contract draft of VTO and publisher. The 3rd chapter tells the user that publisher goes to protecting them account. VTO is done not have from ” not authorized is used ” the obligation that middleman and guarantor protects books content. The 3rd chapter (the obligation of publisher) in listed a few influence that attribute VTO. Here has a few:

Infinite the influence of duplicate content ” in memory of a number ” storage figure content stores in electronic database digital content, perhaps store content in the database that searchs engine, both perhaps union lets content publicly user memory content (free) perhaps make them complete or print partly

Etc. The full text of German is in the 3rd chapter the 5th part, especially B part.

Another Google killer?

I still cannot regard VTO now is the competitor that Google books searchs. B? Rsenverein often alludes them to want to make over content to search engine provider with his condition. To achieve this goal, they must be gotten let this system move rise. A few important decisions become VTO unengaging. Books industry of Germany to participate in VTO, the problem may be encountered when offerring correct PDF document. Once their book is in systematic catalog, year cost lets this plan become be without appeal (in December, a few publisher gave off them ” least of all best seller ” list, if your book sells only in a year,give two, year of cost of 17 euro have a place a little it seems that tall) . Each reason that shares this plan also is applied to participate in Google books search, besides this reason: This project is ” homebred ” solution. I cannot see any prospect of this project.

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Google books of Germany searchs killer VTO (add)

Filed under: Google Blogoscoped — Wrote by Lees on Wednesday, March 5th, 2008 @ 9:21 am

In Tuesday, the competitor VTO that Mathias Schindler reported the Google books that enters the Germany in still be being developed is searched (online full text is searched) the website is how easy. The PowerPoint of the homepage of a VTO be goinged to by the link demonstrates the code that the visit included to test a site in manuscript, and this site just abolishs with script of a few Java mouse right key (do not rise to protect action at all in fact, the user can bypass with a few simple methods only protective mechanism) the page that will protect a works. Mathias can download now of Germany best-selling the complete copy of the book, think in the company of VTO backside support fights the suit that Google books searchs, because Google does not have the behavior middleman and guarantor that objecting books download,had protected those books, this is quite delicate.

Now, be in the company of VTO backside, MVB/ BoeV (the market of German bookshop and publication service / German publisher and bookshop association) , the report that is aimed at Mathias (I won’t make a comment to specific argument, the thorough research that I believe Mathias continues to talking for oneself) published a statement:

In ” online full text is searched ” the security of the data in and text has safeguard, and be the most preferential safeguard. This is announced by MVB, object in front the opinion on public affairs of publication of Book Report Express, their cite a few tests of a so called Watch Blogger, then the individual says he discovered this system ” safe flaw ” . “VTO provides the safest service for publisher, ” the director Ronald Schild of MVB says. Only free content talent is seen by the user. …

Pass a regretful mistake, internal user name and password ever momentarily is become ” accredit account ” . Use these credential to be able to find VTO easily to check systematic entrance. MVB had taken the place that act and discharged a project to coordinate Ggemann of ΓΌ of person Theodor Br. New code will be given to participate in the publisher of this project by method.

Testing level, the text version of a few example be usinged as was included in the system, these text were not offerred limitedly by intended ground. According to Schild, “Work below regular pattern when VTO system when, these text version won’t be seen. ” these are checking unlike the full text of level, publisher can limit the scope of the text version that can be seen normally.

When facing the report of Mathias, the Schild of MVB tells beforeBook Report Express:

We try to carry out best safe level, but it is impossible that we realize the safety of 100% …

We ask explicitly our technical provider (the HGV of hamburger publishs a service, MPS science and technology of He Deli) go closing potential safe loophole, know we go up together with more books line when.

Of course, technical share was included outside bookshop association. But probably the core that this is a problem: They want to follow company of a science and technology (Google) in space of a science and technology (Internet) competition, but themselves does not have a technology, the likelihood lacks the method of the quality that the work includes outside judgement, perhaps raise significant technical requirement. Cite a case, I a moment ago was used only probably 15 seconds discovered a No Holds Barred HTML Injection Vulnerability on the homepage of MBV/ BoeV (How does know this is translated? ) .

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